Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
   Home   Help Search Calendar Login Register  

Current time NZ: May 18, 2012, 10:58:00 AM
Pages: [1]   Go Down
  Print  
Author Topic: Rugbyheads site revamp  (Read 4141 times)
jules
Rugbyheads founder
Administrator
International Rep
*****

Karma: +90/-8
Posts: 668


one-eye on the prize


WWW
« on: July 27, 2006, 12:27:33 AM »

As you may well have noticed, apart from the discussion board, the Rugbyheads site as a whole has been suffering from some neglect in the last couple of years.

This is mainly due to the fact that family and work have had to take priority for me in the last few years, and similarly for the other RH founders (DH, Wobbly, SG), but there was also a healthy helping of apathy involved too!

Well for me the family and work pressures are still there (earlier this year I became a fulltime house dad for my two sons, and cut back my work life from fulltime to that of a late night contractor) but the apathy seems to have got the boot because I actually got inspired to revamp the site.

I started working on this in January with the aim of getting it out by early in the Super 14 season. Yeah right. Well as they say, good things take time so hopefully this revamp is better late than never!

Anyway, here is what has changed.

1) The style of the site has had a spruce up and been brought into the 21st century in terms of HTML compliance (which probably doesn't mean much to most of you!).

2) The focus of the old site was, a bunch of rugby fans can write some crap about rugby and people who have nothing better to do with their time can read it. Oh and we have a discussion board, woo hoo.

Over time the discussion board has taken on a real live of it's own, largely thanks to the contributions of guys like Stipe and EW, while activity on the rest of the site has died off (although at least Geeves tried to keep it alive this season!).

In recognizing this I decided to try and re-build the site to allow the community of regulars that use the discussion board to contribute to the entire site.

In web terms this is very web 2.0, providing tools for the users of a web site to build something cool together. Given my day job is a company called Eurekster.com, which builds tools to let users build their own search engines (like the one on the front page of the rugbyheads site) I have learnt a thing or two about this sort of stuff in the past few years so I thought it would be cool to apply some of the ideas to Rugbyheads.

It's all about providing tools that let us all share and contribute info about this game we love. I know we can do that via the discussion board but there is a lot of info that needs to be more structure than a thread of discussion.

Info like: Game Schedules and Results, and Team profiles and team history.

At the core of the new site is a database of rugby matches, and a database of rugby teams. Both of which are based on the Rugbycomp Database (cheers DB, you rock!) but I have extended them somewhat to make them more general purpose.

The basic idea is that all users can help to maintain these databases. So if you see that a game is missing from the schedule, you can easily add it, if you know some more details about a teams history, you can edit it.

Obviously we need some controls on who can edit things, and the plan will be to initially just give a few people edit access, but eventually I can see us using the discussion board status as a way to decide who can edit what.

The system keeps a log of any changes that are made so that we can roll back a change if it's not seen as useful.

This concept is common in wikis, the best example of which is www.wikipedia.com. (which I expect many of you have heard of)

3) Rugby news section

This is the single most interesting new feature. On the front page of the new site there is a box titled "What people are saying around the web".

This lists links to articles and discussion board threads that I have tagged as being related to particular games in the Games database.

The process of tagging these articles is as simple as adding a little link to your web browser and then when you are reading a rugby related article on another site (eg: xtra) you just hit the "Share with Rugbyheads" link and it will pop up a little window that lets you tag what team and/or game the article is related to and what type of article it is. eg: a match report, or a discussion board thread, or an image gallery, or game stats, etc.

The idea is that as we all come across interesting rugby news around the web we can easily share it, and at the same time tag it as being related to a particular rugby team or game.

If enough of us contribute (or the ones that do are prolific enough) then we will all be able to just use the rugbyheads site to keep up with the latest rugby news.

At present the share link isn't publically available but I hope to get that ironed out in the next week or so and get a few of you giving it a test drive.

We will probably add a "thumbs up"/"thumbs down" type of rating system to this too so you can rate an article as crap or good. (kind of like sites like Digg.com do for tech news).

I will also make available an RSS feed of this aggregation of rugby news pretty soon too. If you don't know what RSS is then this won't mean much to you, yet, but if you do then you will know that this should rock!

4) the Teams section.

Currently this just lets you view the matches in the database for a given team (that also must exist in the DB) but eventually I hope the team page might include a blurb about the teams history, links to the teams official site, and history of their performance in particular competitions.

In addition it will include all the news items that have been shared that relate to that team.

5) the Games section

This is essentially a game schedule. It currently has all the games that Pdeb has in the Rugbycomp system but the plan is to open it up to allow keen members to add other games to the schedule that are currently in there. This might include historical games or RWC qualifiers etc that most people ignore.

The key thing this section does is links to the details page for a particular game. eg: The recent SA vs NZ game in wellington

On the game detail page you can see the key details (scores, location, date etc) and then below that any news items in the system that have been associated with this game.

I think you will agree this is pretty cool. Imagine next Monday being able to go to one page and see all the details about the 2nd Bledisloe game plus links to a lot of articles about the game from all over the web.

Shit, it's 12:20am. That's enough on this for now!

I'll add some more to this thread in the morning. Smiley

I'm keen to hear what you guys all think and also about any glitches you might find in the new site, there are bound to be stacks.

Let's try and keep all this discussion in this thread for now and as we expand on the ideas and new features we can spin those off into new threads.

Welcome to the new Rugbyheads, similar to the old RH but hopefully a lot less crap! Smiley

Cheers, Jules
Logged

I support: NZ, Crusaders, Canterbury, Highlanders and anyone playing England Wink

Rugby - a welcome distraction from post-quake reality
Stripe
Rugbyheads Legend
*******

Karma: +167/-37
Posts: 1500


Counties >Hurricanes >New Zealand


WWW
« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2006, 05:01:01 AM »

awesome ... will be looking around .. Wink
Logged

Who holds your freedom?
Who holds your liberty?

TheologyOnline Facebook
Teach
International Rep
******

Karma: +67/-6
Posts: 628


Joining the new era of full disclosure...


« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2006, 08:38:08 AM »

Looking good Jules.

So this is why you've only made 4 picks out of 9 in the current International Series of  RugbyComp ?

Geeves and I are carrying BT's crew at the moment, and it looks like we have a crack at beating EW's legends in a series for the first time in living memory  Grin

Come join us  Wink
Logged

All Blacks, Southland, Highlanders, Hurricanes, Lions (Wgtn and PI but not British! Wink )
Gwynn
Rugbyheads Legend
*******

Karma: +92/-24
Posts: 3388


Lewis Hamilton - World Champ 08!


WWW
« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2006, 11:28:05 AM »

Looking forward to it Smiley
Logged

http://www.compton-nz.net/rugbymatrix
Home of the Rugbymatrix, the Rucking Rant, and a generalist shrine to Rugby.
Geeves
Rugbyheads Legend
*******

Karma: +158/-25
Posts: 2024



« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2006, 11:43:25 AM »

Very very impressive upgrade of the site.

Keep up the good work.  I'll try to bash out another artilce after this weekend.  And hopefully the upgrade might jog a few more people into action as well.

By the way will be in NZ from 13-16 Feb next year Jade might be very interesting in week 2 if I can find an excuse to stay that long.


Logged

Qld, Western Force and Wallaby supporter

QLD 2011 Super 15 Champions!!!!!
EREHWON WARRIORS
Rugbyheads Legend
*******

Karma: +146/-29
Posts: 4068


Veni Vidi Vici!......Vito the VICTOR!!!


WWW
« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2006, 05:24:05 PM »

AWESOME , Jules! Cool Let's know how we can help! Tongue

          Baz  Wink
Logged

This is the Year that ALL BLACKS finally draw equal with their SANZAR partners and win RUGBY WORLD CUP for a second time in 2011 !!!

First victim tonight TONGA!
jules
Rugbyheads founder
Administrator
International Rep
*****

Karma: +90/-8
Posts: 668


one-eye on the prize


WWW
« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2006, 09:34:59 PM »

Hey guys, thanks for the kind words.

I also note that no one has reported any problems with things either which either means no one has looked around or that everything is actually working fine, which is about as believable as the official explanation for the throat slitting action in the new haka!  Grin

Anyway, now that I've finally got the new site out there my next focus is to get the security on the site editing and new submitting features sorted so that I can get some more of you involved. I hope to have that sorted in time for next week, it all basically works as it stands I just need to tidy up how a few bits look and check that it actually works for a user that isn't me!

I'd be interested to hear some feedback on what you think of the core ideas behind the revamp. How many of you feel suitably inspired to actually contribute to some of this stuff?

Given that it's quite common for people to post links to news items on the board I figure that at least that part of the new site should be of interest, but how many train spotters do we have out there that are keen to build the ultimate reference to their favourite team?

One thing that's important to realize is that I don't intend for us to re-create a whole lot of content that already exists on other sites. Rather I see this as a chance to link a whole lot of related content together, which is how the Web is supposed to work.

Unlike many sites on the Web, including a lot of rugby related sites,  I don't see Rugbyheads as a commercial entity which gives us a good basis to build a site that could potentially become the best place to start looking for info about a rugby team or game but not necessarily the site that you will ultimately find the info you are looking for.

When a re-read what I just wrote it sounds all a bit grand but I figure if you don't aim high then you won't achieve much.

I realized earlier this year that Rugbyheads has been around almost 8 years, and I'm pretty proud of that. We've come quite a long way since DH posted the first article to the original site (that was hosted on my personal web space with IHUG), to the point where the board at least has a life of it's own outside of the original core group of mates that inspired me to create the site in the first place. Let's see if we can't spread the enthusiasm from the board throughout the entire site and build something really special.

Jules

(Hmm, that little walk down memory lane has inspired me to add a little "Rugbyheads History" section to the About Us page. I guess a lot of the current users probably don't have much idea about what changes the site has been through. We've had at least 4 different web hosts for a start, and 4 different versions of the discussion board software! Not that I'm going to write it now of course, but I will do it sometime!)
Logged

I support: NZ, Crusaders, Canterbury, Highlanders and anyone playing England Wink

Rugby - a welcome distraction from post-quake reality
ndub
International Rep
******

Karma: +46/-11
Posts: 650


talk about.... pop pop pop music


WWW
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2006, 02:16:59 PM »

great work poindexter!

had a quick peek and one small rendering problem spotted with your search sidebar positioning - overlaps "content" class
only occurs in Safari so far as i can tell - firefox is ok
Jumps back into line when the window is made narrower
need some kind of hash in your "content container" class i guess

out of interest what tools are you using to build the site - are you hand coding it?

keep it up mate - lock the kids in the wardrobe
Logged
Tesrof
International Rep
******

Karma: +193/-31
Posts: 950


I support: Guinness, All Blacks, Waikato & Chiefs.


WWW
« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2006, 06:32:19 PM »

Hi Jules

Agree with others ... this looks good and is a step good step forward.

I have three comments:

1) As I understand what you're saying ... we're going to get to be able to post relevant information on the site which will be available to everyone, rather than simply customising the site for our own use ... or will it become a mixture of both?

2) Will an invitation section be available - which we can send to friends encouraging them to join?

3) Don't you find all the red and black on the home page a bit much?  It seriously needs some gold to help balance it all!

Cheers
T
Logged

“All of us have schnozzles . . . if not in our faces, then in our character, minds or habits. When we admit our schnozzles, instead of defending them, we begin to laugh, and the world laughs with us.”
 Jimmy Durante
England Jim
NPC Rep
****

Karma: +70/-47
Posts: 344


England = less Bollocks


« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2006, 10:27:01 PM »

superb Jules!  cannot but admire your ambitions for this site and look forward to seeing it grow.  happy to add to NH spots as required.
Logged

I support Gloucester, England and the British and Irish Lions.
Gwynn
Rugbyheads Legend
*******

Karma: +92/-24
Posts: 3388


Lewis Hamilton - World Champ 08!


WWW
« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2006, 09:14:11 AM »

As per my email I'm more than happy to be a regular contributor... unbeknown to most I am a struggling author, who can't get past the 3rd chapter of his own book!  Roll Eyes

Gwynn
Logged

http://www.compton-nz.net/rugbymatrix
Home of the Rugbymatrix, the Rucking Rant, and a generalist shrine to Rugby.
DH
Founding Father
Moderator
Rugbyheads Legend
*****

Karma: +102/-34
Posts: 1014


Mmmmm...forbidden donut


WWW
« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2006, 10:28:18 AM »

great work poindexter!

had a quick peek and one small rendering problem spotted with your search sidebar positioning - overlaps "content" class
only occurs in Safari so far as i can tell - firefox is ok
Jumps back into line when the window is made narrower
need some kind of hash in your "content container" class i guess

out of interest what tools are you using to build the site - are you hand coding it?

keep it up mate - lock the kids in the wardrobe


Hey ndub - Jules & I think we got that issue fixed last night with the overlapping buzzcloud - I had the same issue on ubuntu linux & Firefox 1.08 - I just checked our Mac Mini at work with Safari & it looks good on that as well. Let us know if its still dodgy!

cheers mate
Daryn
Logged

"Its not fair!!! *sob* *sniff* ..."

- Matt Burke after the Warratahs where humiliated by the Crusaders in 2002.
ndub
International Rep
******

Karma: +46/-11
Posts: 650


talk about.... pop pop pop music


WWW
« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2006, 02:19:13 PM »

ah yes, well done
it's a fun game trying to get something to look similar on all these "standards complient" browsers isn't it
Logged
Pages: [1]   Go Up
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.15 | SMF © 2011, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!